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but you and I 've all lived through the bad part of these things and I just

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I do n't know why they did n't then . I do n't know who 's trying to get I think it 's just a sloppy moves . I do n't know so I think it was been destined I think it 's a business that thinks about itself

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even though he has done almost nothing for them than say I am your defender . the other thing he 's got going for him is that his ability to Stoke that anger and fear not address it

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it was a bunch of . silly boys and lazy boy chairs moaning and Yannick Nyanga division I could n't fight their way out of a paper bag as they say as they say

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a strategy of how to avoid making Republicans look bad for not wanting to acknowledge what actually happened on January sixth

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they they 're saying I do n't want to make this hard decision on what days the backlash I do n't wanna lose customers

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what can we learn about what the FBI knew ahead of time . what does it ever hang on trump any of it . I mean one of the things that you know he can he blames everybody else and of course now is diminishing it saying nothing really happened it was n't that bad and then you see it being articulated by lots of people Megan Kelly was doing it the other day all these people are just sort of our ticket waiting and it was a Taurus statement

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at that moment was and how close the country came to collapse . but then does the work of the commission . result in anything because the people who are moved by this or upset or wants something done already felt this way before the hearings and the Republican as disgusting as it is political calculation is the American voter is n't thinking about this they 're not caring about it they care about putting food on their table and inflation

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talk a little bit about that fell and then Carol what what do you think is going to come out of these investigations . well we did ask trump what his goal was what he wanted from his supporters twenty cent March to the capitol and he you know we were struck by what he sent in his answer he said I wanted what they wanted

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not just the little bits and pieces that you know the Washington post in my colleagues and I have reported

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but which that 's a lot of books that 's a lot of noise just like he would be on the apprentice or anything else to talk a little bit about how how he 'll do going forward without the platform to use to have

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so we of course made so of course . yes . I 'm gon na get my kids ActionAid . so all of this is just crazy . business is like I 'm not sure they absolutely should do it not just in there being short sighted

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they 're not going to have the same relationship with movies that we once did . and you know everything changes every generation I think it 's really sad . the Scarlett Johannson won . . listen . three Colby . it was not uncommon for big big stars to get these profit participation so twenty million Bucks up front and then depending on how the box office looks to get a kicker in the back that would be zero

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what what is what 's going to happen what . you know I I do n't I mean I do n't have very high hopes because everybody has has turned it into a political game

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we have to take to the streets as people with with some sort of force and with some sort of weaponry to decide who 's the president that 's it that 's a pretty scary place to be

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it did n't work almost always . we know from reporting with other sources . I 'm January six that she actually that afternoon did try to pressure her father tried and persuade him and she failed repeatedly because it took several hours for him actually issued that statement if she was n't the only one doing it

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the number is last week had to be Tom barrack one of president trump 's oldest friends closest allies gets arrested he is in a heap of trouble

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I mean Carol yes . all the parade of people all came down there to see him . but they do n't have to . right there was a moment after the insurrection after the election . where you saw there was that one night when Lindsey Graham said like I not this enough

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stable genius this mastery of making people who have felt forgotten dismissed . look down the nose out by coastal elites making them feel that he 's their defender he 's got their back

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three point five trillion dollar reconciliation bill is there any chance these bills being considered separately . I think they will end up needing to be done even just this idea that all Democrats have signed on to the three naturally they have n't yet and I was already said she 's not sure Joe Manchin and cinema in mansion

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and half the nonsense out of his mouth is false and beyond that nonsense . they all watch the insurrection and I know it 's true so what about those voters to stand with him

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and he does n't care if you call a fake a phony a liar a jerk tell just hop right back in his journal cell

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I mean we saw this heart breaking heart breaking . if we thought January six was bad . hearing the officers describe what it was like for them . he 'd just phone showing up and I I know some of those officers but I had n't even heard some of the things that they described officer for known we all know he nearly happy had a heart attack

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he he was a big character in your book . talk a little bit about him and his recent statement that he made that the cabinet was meeting in

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amp it up . and that is . has had an amazing effect . Phil I 'm going around you know all over the country . the remotely of course being interviewed . a lot of Republican people interred ask us where trump followers ask us how . here you have all this hate for trump . how dare you put this in this in this book . you were never going to change our mind trump is our guy and . what interests me is they 're actually not interested in the fact that we carefully corroborated . they 're not interested in the fact that we fact checked this book with Donald Trump . they 're not interested in that they 're interested in . the fighter . the pugilist . the man that says he 's their defender . they do n't care what he actually does . they just care that he keeps saying that I 'm just not we always say it 's that forgotten voter

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what do you think . what do you think about the situation comes as other fintechs such as PayPal amex a Russian cap was an installment loan payment trend basically a lay away for the digital age in Afterpay said its average users thirty one to thirty three consumer advocate says too soon to understand the risks of the fledgling trend lay away we know about

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yeah one hundred percent . I do n't businesses requiring it is critical businesses I think it 'll be harder for governments to do it

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almost four million people in France got vaccinated . it works and I guess I 'm angry because for all the noise corporate America gives us about you know wanting to do the right thing and being leaders for social justice and writing letters from voting rights

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which is the eighty billion dollars to fund the IRS . we have a massive tax gap in our country tax money that 's owed you have to change a single letter in our tax law which is not collected

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what is the hold that he has on the actual voters witcher . instead these people would be in a minute second if they could . I suspect that 's my that 's my . but not these voters . so what what what do you imagine the whole days and what do you think he 's going to do if you had to guess I mean I know you 're not suppose he is with like spending time with them

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they had their story they knew they wanted to tell me to go forward and you could question how it makes her feel but also for a long walk like it 's business because it will call attention to and by the way Camille co ten is n't it I think that 's how you pronounce her name she was in call my agent

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it 's pretty common for movie stars get paid portion of the box office but everything 's changing

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yeah right . although it 's only through our old with our vulnerable and meanwhile last week governor dissenters without giving a speech in Salt Lake City

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it 's striking president one act . why do you believe that that . B. as a bunker behind the scenes all to do the right thing . I definitely is not a . well no because for four years people kept whispering that garbage in my ear . you know what she 's doing where no one no one 's or what she does privately . yeah me and sit down for a public interview and say this is what I was doing behind the scenes

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I thought nothing of it . and I flew recently and so I wore a mask . it 's amazing when you do n't wear it for a while . yeah like that somehow it felt like . burdensome cumbersome once in months . my my what nothing of it I think now wearing it . I 'm not to be totally honest I 'm angry with the unvaccinated . yeah . right now this is a pandemic of the on back . I 'm angry with what they 're doing to society the culture to business to my kids I 'm mad at them

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but I meadows might have meant his kitchen cabinet meeting you know the political people . but regardless it went when Carol and I were down there at Mar a Lago with him it was clear to us that he still thinks he 's the president heard or thinks you know he wanted to continue acting like he 's the president

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he 's gon na get our yet . I am on the other and he 's on good since you ca n't go on this major social media network it 's unlikely he 'll be restored to Facebook it is is not going back to Twitter again we 'll see if it because he has n't gotten on it but it 's not that big yet I can tell you it 's quite small at

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wins and fails . really . okay I 'm gon na give you two fails to start my first failed . is the state of Florida . the sixty seven counties . sixty six . how high could the transmission rates . the average age of a person hospitalized in Florida right now is forty two years old

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they 're trying to mislead the American people about what happened on January sixth and that 's why the work of this commission is so important to get to the bottom of what really happened and to remind people how dangerous

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but going down the line when people say what 's the valuation of square why is it so high

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hi . other people behind them one of who built the way they do . right . mansion . what do you like them or not is sort of a human shield . and I think there are other Democrats who vote the same way he does . or is she from states like my own state New Jersey . but they let him take the rap and the other mansion thing I would say . and your you 've got West Virginia roots not me . there 's lots of . if you wanna go after Joe Manchin for million reasons go for it but she does n't answer to voters in any other state but West Virginia

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what man would you put in there what what email would you put in there . I mean they should have a man in there do n't you think they should . or anybody that you know that how bout them . a minute Romney flavored person . I know you know Jeff flake . Jeff flake that would be interesting to him and Whoopi Goldberg . interesting . I like I like midwestern . yeah . I thank god of the country . yeah they 're not Meghan McCain that 's the key part of it anyway . as the we want to talk about so let 's talk a little bit a few short things one is Scarlett Johannson suing Disney for breach of contract after they premiere Black Widow in theaters and on his A. plus the same time she was supposed to pay a portion of the box office revenue alleges streaming eight into our paycheck

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and then you so you think it will be passed separately using that 's right there 's no way they get past together

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I think getting this bipartisan bill done would be huge . we all agree . right we need new infrastructure in this country . when trump claimed he was going to do he could n't get it done . and what Democrats I fear are are are missing here is the Mitch McConnell factor . right . self described grim reaper . yes so Democrats are so focused on the . yeah yeah yeah I get the bipartisan bill done but we also need our bill done at the exact same time let 's link the two

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I do n't know what kind of late . it pains sermon . so it seems like it would have maybe been a smart idea . but them not doing it . I do n't think it 's a big deal . are we now gon na have to pay it does every biographer have to pay their subject

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they 're going to run out and get vaccinated . and I think it 's super selfish and short sighted . the business 's remember when we first got the vaccines we kept hearing people who are fully vaccinated will to go to this store without her mask on

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I did listen from their perspective . investing in those charging stations is investing in the future and well that 's great . I think they 're looking at it as my house is broken up right now . the pipes are broken right that the toilets are broken we have to fix that before we put an addition on the house

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still water open this past Friday 's director Tom McCarthy said the film was directly inspired by those events I 'm gon na read the first tweet in the thread that Knox posted the night before the movie opened

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yeah I do . I do think we get along really well . I agree with you know you do n't know you do n't know you do n't you were just like giving me a hard time but George Han where we were saying he wanted to be on the view and we agreed he 'd be really good but you 're made a point you made a salient point which I think is unfair but go ahead to make it

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here 's something they absolutely can do to protect our country to protect employees to also pay back the government who just bailed out businesses big and small to yeah really ends of dollars

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really . yeah . yeah and also cheap she knew what she can do . she knew she could n't do it . people do n't understand that I just I would say the fails we 're continuing people to insult her

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it might not be every four years remember we 're in August . speaking of lunch when the hard core conspiracy theorists Q. and honors . I believe the trump is going to be reinstated . and by the way that not until joking in the end you can laugh about it but much mark meadows sort of seem to insinuate something strange in an interview this week how would you

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governors are arguing with local local news . municipalities in everyone else . over the mask thing and I think that 's a separate thing . separately . but one of the things it 's interesting as they sort of get much together and completed some weird fashion

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Netflix Saks Fifth Avenue . blackrock Goldman Sachs . delta and United Airlines for new employees only by the way . Morgan Stanley The Washington Post which was a surprise to me left . uber Twitter what do you what do you think it 's not just employees restaurants a Broadway shows are trying to require ticket holders indoor tanners to show proof of vaccination

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after having used it for a little bit and and noisy and it 's not the people who wants to reach really so can you talk a lot about how he 's going to do that without the social media that he had you so definitely while he was president

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put up by Tesla whoever everywhere I go now . when I stop and drive and you see them in the back of gas stations and things like that how where do you see that how that 's gotten that got cut rather considerably but is still here

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I was just about to say you know if you have your own production company . if you are actually doing something . as a stakeholder in the I. G .. yes . then you can continue to get paid . but stars who get to be quote unquote equity holders just because they 're stars . I do n't think it 's going to last and given how much money how difficult the last year and have n't been remember if your Disney Sasha studios is your theme parks like

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absolutely at the top of my list what was taken out of this that 's a huge disappointment for me was a small number that would have had the biggest return on investment

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then trump sitting down with you to for an interview . she knows exactly who you are I mean . very stable genius was not a complimentary book about trump . he knew that this was not going to result in anything glowing about it . Donald Trump sitting down with you guys does that not proves he not manifesting all press is good press . he certainly thinks that I think you know he he would n't sit down with us for for spec stable genius back for the second one it did n't take much persuading to get him to do the interview he wanted to do it and and I think he thought that he was charismatic enough that he could somehow change our thinking or persuade us to view his final year in office differently and you know we 're not that gospel work pretty hard nosed reporters and we wanted to go hear what he had to say but by the time we got there we already interviewed a hundred forty other people who made pretty clear to us what the truth was about him

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it 's it 's sort of crying in plain sight . it kind of thing it 's cut at the at this point and all the stuff come out

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and and heading into the mid term elections there . they 're all about trump still . Stephanie except of course . Republicans lost the mid terms while trump was in office . I guess the thing that confuses me so much . . is what is trump he 's a branding genius . . why does a why does it why is he still looked at as a king maker

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this was not the hugging and kissing that Donald Trump described to us . but as for what 's going to happen . not very high hopes that it 's going to get what what an investigative reporter wants are just fax

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but when I walk my five year old to show up for kindergarten on the first day he was n't vaccinated my other choice was to home school

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. in terms of whether you 're talking about fintech or social media . right traditional businesses are highly regulated like traditional media traditional banking . . and the new technology side of it is n't . and we have n't seen the dangerous downside yet because we all love cool find new technology especially if it 's for young people

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what do you think Stephanie role . I need two things . I think anything in the laneway space in the peer to peer lending space in the lending to people who have less financial security makes me a little bit skittish

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and this is a category five hurricane . right it 's not . it was a category five hurricane last year . and if we 're over dramatic about this . we are going to . then then pieces people of influence are going to lose even more credibility and it 's catnip for anti vaxxers

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so . six six billion for Amtrak and rail to sixty five billion for broadband expansion clean drinking water eccentric center tells

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her story is not her own but it 's empty . it 's pretty awful . what they did I think at the same time . a living is a great I think she 's a public person and it 's a public story and they have every right to write a movie make a movie

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I do n't understand why he has that kingmaker status I 'm explain why or is it even true . well it 's definitely true still . I mean if the primary result tomorrow he would be the Republican candidate for president . now he 's got a long time to go before he has to make that decision . he he certainly intimated to us that he 's a guy who is considering running . but I really want to just sing in on something else he said staff which is this idea that there was a moment when they could have broken with him I was talking to a Republican fundraiser an operative who was nearly in tears

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make sure you subscribe to the show on apple podcasts port your android user . check us out on Spotify or basically wherever you get your podcasts . if you like the show please recommend it to a friend . maybe somebody do n't like . thank you for listening to pivot from New York magazine and vox media . we 'll be back later this week for another break down all things tech and business . thank you Stephanie . thank you cara

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well guess what . if we do n't do something significant . we 're never getting rid of calls it . right . so I actually have your business flourish long term requiring . so there 's two things going on . this sort of reassuring vaccinated people that they 're not at high risk because I think some people in the media is gone a little fog well in this break through vaccination

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go for it . but there 's a bunch of Joe Manchin loses . there 's a better chance he 's losing to a Republican . yes that is correct that is correct so what things in here it is sixty six million dollars for rail and Amtrak what did you think of that that 's a lot of money

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the fact that his bail was two hundred and fifty million dollars . yeah . two . I mean that 's an enormous number . right . yeah for a guy who is a super wealthy California jet setting international businessman . at the age of seventy four he is looking at a tough road ahead . and I think it 's really telling the trump did n't say one single thing about it . and I think the winner for the week you know I 'm going to the Olympics obviously highly may I say but most definitely SUNY we

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that that had happened once he became president . he really fell in love with that . and he did not want to give it up and and he did a lot of things that you could argue if you were n't president there would be a crime he would be indicted as for climbing I love that word I 'm gon na try to get that into the newspaper stories from crying I mean it 's just a it 's a it 's a fun one but you know if you were not president he would have he he met the standard for being indicted on multiple counts obstruction of justice in four different instances

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yes that yes you know it you 're right I 'm wrong there but yeah . listen it 's dicey territory for them to set a precedent to now pay now going forward I 'm sure all these big stars are gon na cut a different deal or dizzy plus we 'll say we 'll buy projects wholesale like Netflix style media I 've taken more money up front and nothing in the back end

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I mean it 's funny you . I like the way you put that question care because two things at once one . the guy did n't think it was going to win . he was shocked on election night in twenty sixteen when he won . it was a branding exercise it was a way to get your heart rate . and when he won he probably was in that particular remember sitting the most surprised of all of them

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the same time . Reese Witherspoon spoon apparently sold . hello sunshine have for nine hundred million dollars will see their valuing it at that let 's see what that 's worth

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yes it will be the next big wave of people getting vaccinated and I think when I go when the vaccines go from emergency approval to full approval

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I do n't think you can link the two . all of those Republicans are going to walk away and let 's be honest . irrelevant of what is in this bill . if I was one of those Republicans I would walk away . why would I say . yes . I spent all this time agreeing on a bill . but at the same time . you 're going to get your own . so I completely think that there are lots of things in the go it alone . bill and I would like to see them in there like the expanded child tax credit

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I 'm super worried about consumer protections and it 's nothing against this company in this industry . it 's just important . yeah . their point . all right . time for the big story . the newest trend in corporate America is vaccine mandates Walmart Disney Facebook Google or crying some or all of their employees to be vaccinated to come to work Walmart Disney or to the country 's largest private employers

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will this work or produce a backlash Stephanie . who cares it produces a backslash . they damn well should write in France . every day we can turn on the TV and say well look at the protesters . what is there a thousand protesters ten thousand protesters the first week and I know my crown put the mandate in place

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they do n't seem to be people who are vaccinated more likely their people were being extra cautious extra car

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with all the adoration and and the love of his supporters and and sort of blinding himself intentionally to the reality that Joe Biden is president now and that the country 's moving on past him

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it seems to me he 's gon na find his social media . low point or high point he 's gon na find something . we do n't know what that will be at this minute maybe maybe you 're right . getter is not massive the way Twitter was . who knows what will be restored to or what you 'll find . but the truth of the matter is correct . he gets compressed coverage when Donald Trump says blah blah gets picked up and then . the reason is because we all know he is a defining figure . the Republican Party . and who is Kevin McCarthy singing the tune to Donald trump 's tune who is even Mitch McConnell who who really despises Donald Trump finds him responsible for his loss of the Senate leadership finds him to be you know a person of no principle

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bill what what makes you believe . among those urging him . I I hear you staff and look over it over those four years we were told so many times that a banker with a moderating force that she had very little influence doing that

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you 'll see a lot more businesses do it . all right so with incentives have been tried you know monetary awards event tickets time off different things like that I just talked to the head of American they do we 're doing things like that you got an extra vacation day for current employees he was n't he 's not try he does n't wanna make them

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yeah I was going on there . such a such a bizarre statement by mark meadows he said that that that that trump is meeting with his cabinet as if he were still the president are running some sort of shadow presidency

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. democratic governors in California New York have announced vaccine mandates for government employees . I was just thinking health care workers . and you know is n't you know just got a note from my one of my kids schools where they said you know you have to get vaccinated if you ca n't come to school

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when was the last time you were masked today right now the Starbucks . you always . well it 's a new thing in DC that required around the the mayor just departed so may make you

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there is not writing big checks and with the new CEO like maybe he 's doing this as a back like he does here 's one of his his his ships of like you know what I do n't need to dance with the stars these movies are giant you got twenty million Bucks you get what you get you get what you get the second thing is another woman blasting Hollywood Amanda not she took to Twitter over the weekend I 'm very in them and I really great thread call out Matt Damon movie still water by the way Matt Damon was also saying movies are n't the same anymore

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she was one of the people doing it . all right so in this case street was actually attempting it because things had gone off the rails so what do you imagine happening

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now they have to help us get out of this . they have never gon na quit break we come back we 're going to talk a lot about an area that you 're very interested in infrastructure . do you take calls using speaker phone in public first of all do n't be that person now imagine taking those calls and shouting out your credit card number and other sensitive information for all to hear okay

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the law if he 's actually in L. legal quagmire . that would prevent him from running for office because he does n't have a problem fundraising . yeah . staff I would say the law or his health . he 's seventy five years old and you know to run again for president he would be it would be seventy eight

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that visit told me he has he 's created a Brigadoon he 's created a special exile where reality does n't have to really care center

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and so what did he do . he took his . he took his stock out for a spin . and you bought this company for what twenty nine billion dollars which also is probably an enormously high number

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that 's exactly right he endorsed a candidate for a special election in a congressional seat down there

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he was stunningly able to have a phone call in which he asked a foreign power to investigate an American also skating right over the law

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most recently the film hash tag still water . so she 's technically public figure what do you what do you think what do you think we do

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and if they try to make that happen . they lose . but I will . the one thing I 'll say . you can never count out the deaths . Mitch McConnell will go to to ask something up . yeah right he made it very clear for eight years of Obama he 's made it clear now that he 's here to block the by magenta

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I think you said it was n't gon na happen right . no no that 's not true . okay all right . okay I so what 's not going to happen is a bipartisan bill . and this separate . three and a half trillion dollar reconciliation . that 's what I think . you ca n't get both of those things done . getting this bipartisan bill done would be a tremendous win for the binding ministration . right for the country . we all collectively no we need infrastructure . does the one trillion dollar bill had everything in it . no no definitely not . but the argument on the other side that we must link the one trillion dollar package to the three and a half trillion makes absolutely no sense to me

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want to tap into a space . want to see some of his popularity and what happen fill in the Texas special congressional election last week the trump backed candidate lost

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hello . I mean we 'll see if it hangs on him but you 're right about the white washing it 's been extraordinary it 's as if we did n't see it with our own eyes but we did see it and it 's all on videotape

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however if she does win or they settle this opens up the floodgates that whether it 's all the other actors in the movies or other people there

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. but you 're right some of the Olympic stuff is really great it 's difficult to watch in the ratings are downs but it 's nice that there is still taking place obviously the upsurge in coded in Japan 's not very welcome . yes that 's true . ratings are down but I would say because of all the on demand I can kind of watch it whenever I listened for everybody 's going after Simone Biles

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and I 'm bummed that they took that money out . why do you think they did that because that 's a lot of rich people we know get tet getting taking advantage of all the different rules that are being enforced

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he 's Floridian okay . yeah . yeah well I. you were going first choice to be first obviously because we 're such a hit together and I you know I 'm really I 'm trying to find new partners in case something happens with Scott as you know it could at any moment

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Phil it 's really important because they 've all made their own sort of moral and ethical calculations where they 're going to set aside . the things that they know are are true and and harrowing and even discussing about his leadership and his character because they make a back either their taxes are lower or their businesses can can thrive in a way that they would n't understand accredited ministration you know they care about the bottom line and and they 're not gon na you know focus so much about the morality in that office or about that that America 's standing abroad . all right very last question will he run each of you . prediction yes yes . well he went . he 's got a good chance . if if Joe Biden does n't run again . I think it 's got a a better than good chance . on that note . thank you Carolyn egg and still record there bank you . I alone can fix it I guess they 'll be a third one after this . Donald J. trump 's catastrophic final year is out now we really appreciate you coming on . thanks kera thanks guys . all right Stephanie . one more quick break that was fascinating a little scary . I know for reals . I will be back for wins and fails . it 's hard to find good help these days I mean just look at the because I have to tolerate

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which is my favorite show ever . she was the star of it . she 's also in it which is interesting anyway . last thing Jack Dorsey square is going to buy Australian fintech company after pay this is a big deal I feel it

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that I am very thing and I agree I have to say like when you get to the bottom the stories always like one person who had a cough

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and it progresses you and say I will not sign a unless I get B .. I think it 's gon na blow the whole thing up . yeah they 're not gon na do that do you think that Alexander Custer Cortez is voicing concerns about the bill saying the house did n't pass the bill without the partisan we referring to

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at the end he gets what he wants . hello everyone having a dance jam that like all my gosh even Mitch McConnell voted yes

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he . it feels like he wants to run again correct is that it maybe I 'm just being spun by him

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on August fourth . Wingfoot which the U. S. open golf tournament is supposed to happen there next week . is having an event for trump that they 've been trying to keep quiet . that 's an eighty person banquet . right . thank you Sir . some of the most affluent new Yorkers who know all the things in your book are true

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Hey could you ca n't define exactly how much money you should get well do you sell it in this case they sold for thirty dollars so yes they could they could define those sales

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or to be fifty million dollars of course everything shut down his opponent . now what 's great about the fact that it 's a Disney movie . they have the kind of money where they could shelf that movie . for the last year and a half . hold in inventory and wait to release in the box office . however they do Disney . right now you 're not making money streaming at Disney plus is n't a home run . they do n't want to say yes we 're going to give you a cut of the streaming service

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Carol in these in in this investigation because you have you do have to Republicans who are it you know on the outs with the Republican Party inexplicably end and they 're good they 're gon na they have this amazing testimony

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NBC news senior business correspondent and MSNBC anchor Stephanie Ruhle welcome Stephanie . thank you so much good to be here and Mike Scott . a month off are you kidding me . I know I know what he 's European he thinks he 's European or something like that I 'm not not sure what 's going on

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hi my name is yes I did . I 'm gon na guess that I disagree with your point of view so I want you to go first

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and so they look at things like charging stations as an investment in the future and said let 's cut that and let 's invest more on what 's in dire need like our literal bridges that are falling apart so I get it

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so you interviewed more than a hundred and forty senior administration officials advises the president even the president 's self at Mar a Lago seventy days after it left Washington

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it was a show of force that he wanted to try to intimidate lawmakers . and it it took a lot of persuading over a couple of hours from some of his advisers including his daughter Ivanka trump to try to get him into I had space for he would actually be willing to tell his supporters to stop the violence and go home

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and of course I 'm racking my mind trying to think which cabinet secretaries actually meeting with trump because most of them have distanced themselves from him by now

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U. S. what 's his hold . this is where you know I think Phil and I realized in the first books reporting for not before I alone can fix it

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Carol did you have the impression he thinks he 's the president . I mean in this theater of a character just sort of circles dining like . you know we 're there . arrange to be there by the president . at five o'clock dinner our people traipsing in from the for the club dinner going out to the beautiful patio

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I would . yeah . each one of them I would love for any of them to come and sit down with us and I 'd love to know where they showed great mental or physical fortitude in any significant way based on what I read on Twitter

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after two hours and forty five minutes of talking to us . dinner is really getting into full swing . and there is a standing ovation and they play hail to the chief as he emerges everything about that

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however what I think is the most important part of the story . less about the company they bought and more square Jack Dorsey knows this company has an extraordinarily high valuation

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she 's a beautiful writer by the way . . and one of the things it 's hard is to think about it and I think Hollywood does n't care at all and they 're just gon na use her story if they feel like I think they probably should have gotten her cooperation in some way

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here 's two forms of religious form and a health form if you ca n't get back to it and if you ca n't you have to be tested every day and wear a mask kind of thing and so it was really interesting and I was like okay live this will be an inch I 'm I 'm I 'm interested see the parents to go nuts on this one

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. I I think they were too scared to contact her I guess right . they did n't want to buy a book or whatever you know whatever whatever they did n't want to think it was scared because what 's the downside of the contactor

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right . exec does n't yet . yeah I think it was a guy named Britney did it . but one of the things it 's also in contingencies mask the mask wearing that 's now states are arguing

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. tell us what you think . tell us what you think of this right now over on that I have some questions

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now he gets to say well look at my portfolio of assets . right right right . this is about . this is about beefing up and putting some legs under his valuation . and of course he 's spending a lot of time at square and not Twitter necessarily . all right so be it . terms of you are competing with banks and things like that is this should this make those banks nervous or pay pal or an amex or others who deal in the credit and this kind of thing

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thanks for having us . well you guys are right at the top of the best seller list right now along with several mark Levin and Jesse waters but none the less you 're right up there

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Dan Crenshaw was there . . when we when we visited just walk waltzed over to say she just thought trump looks great healthy and Hale Sir what 's your what 's your secret

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that 's it . attack on our democracy . we 're done . if they had had the guts in the spine to do that trump would be far more in disgrace because they would have communicated on mas

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okay Stephanie that is the show will be back on Friday my co host for that show will be attorney and contributing columnist the washing post George Conway who be able to comment on what that Phil and Carol just said go to NY mag dot com slash pivot to submit your questions for the pivot podcast the link is also in our show notes seventy thank you so much for doing this today

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yeah . there is a real it 's a real it 's a dicey situation one . the question of masking what cities and states will do and people . I do n't think people are going to cooperate on the mask wearing on the vaccination . that 's where we need to focus everything is is mandates for vaccination for government employees in states

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trump certainly seem to think of himself as a kingmaker is is he won . so I love your sort of thoughts on how you look at that right now . you know there 's no question . care that he is . decided he 's going to be a king maker . and there are certainly a ton of people wall saying and flying and tracking tomorrow Lago to kisses ring

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okay but also everyone who thinks even in a business . well you can use the religious with a medical exemption . not really . the business is required to then find a suitable accommodation . right it 's not like a check the box and I 'm in . yeah it 's good they 're gon na make it cumbersome . you ca n't just skirt this war they should because the number one issue is how do you make your employees feel safe is having everybody vaccinated

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finally and this one would be free and later . yeah . yeah it 's going to be great but it 's a really interesting issue I I I I would urge people to read her tweets because I think she 's really quite

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whether you 're Democrat or Republican . you also have a whole lot of rich donors who are n't necessarily tax cheats . but they want more money more attention to the IRS . so yeah you 're happy to make them happy . yeah . all right last thing is they 're giving money to electric vehicle charging stations but a whole lot less you know Biden and appeared in front of a electric car company we 're

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but in the middle . all of these people especially young is people who are like I 'm healthy I do n't really need it but if you say to that person great

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I 'd love for that to be in there permanently . and I think they should get work work working on some stuff in there but if they really try to force this

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but you know . trump is not the healthiest man out there so there 's a chance that he may not have you know quite what it takes to to mount that full campaign

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what do you imagine he wants to run again and I 'd love for each of you sort of to think about you spend a lot of time talking to everyone around him

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we were going to interview . Carolinian Phil Rucker did they have to pay . trump . a side piece because they were about him now . yeah well it . yes but I 'm sure he really are like it 's sort of like it 's interesting because Monica Lewinsky another figure has been taken advantage of quite a bit I thank . his book is coming out with their own story with American crime story I think she 'll be she 's she 's participating

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but I 'm a nerd not a lobbyist . and there are other . components in there where people would say there 's a lot more need . there 's a lot more suffering . they need a lot more support . so I think there 's a lot more . there are many more advocates fighting to put other things in there and I do n't think there 's a lot of people fighting to get more money to the IRS and mind you

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I think because state governments can do it more than better government . but I think at some level . companies are going to have to step in here and really suck it up and make it happen that you 're right they took the money

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how is this gon na happen even the companies are going to pay for the roll out of you know different charging stations I 've noticed many many more around

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I think most families it 's a normal tourists visit that one is easily done but others are trying to diminish what happened it most people should be allowed to protest X. address any of this gon na hang on trump

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I think Disney 's gon na win . this is the end of star the star system in Hollywood you know it 's sort of with the stars used to be sort of captain a captain an area and then they bring them out in the old days right and that was in great and then they got enormous power in the opening close movies

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I. you think about how predatory payday lenders are not so for me consumer protections are really important in this space

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Moolah for Amtrak . also broadband expansion what do you think is important here in it in it from a tech point of view from broadband expansion

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a hundred percent . but that is n't . I I feel like that 's a really important to me finding the IRS is really important

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and most likely those companies are gon na have to put the money forward and that that 's kind of okay they can yeah they ca n't

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transfixed by the images on TV because he he like twenty stocking stock thousands of his supporters are marching up the steps of the capitol waving his flag wearing his red make America great again hats

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even he is is deftly avoiding taking off trump anymore than me then he has to . mmhm . and certainly trying to continue to keep those voters for the midterms . so . trump 's gon na keep having a megaphone which he masters beautifully and is the only thing that stops him

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Phil and I sat on the pretty brocade sofas in his lobby at Mar a Lago and we watched a . the rate of people come in but also in . among them were lawmakers who want his endorsement . he 's not wrong that he has an impact on whether or not they 're going to win the primary

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it 's about good online hygiene have good online hygiene internet service providers . no every single site you visit . and they can sell this information on companies and tech overlords who then use your data to target you

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well you ca n't go to work . ca n't go to a bar ca n't go to the gym they ca n't go to your favorite sporting event

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so we met many people in the maze over over doing that . vaccinated people can get I. considering that yesterday I saw someone on TV who said we are

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they need more funding . talk about technology . they need their systems upgraded . and so everything I could look at in infrastructure the fastest way to put money in and get way more money out would be to find the I. R. S.

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I do n't know about the others but there 's a lot of books and there 's more coming out

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okay now is gon na run because you just said that so . when you when you when you get this one of the things that 's interesting is all the stuff does come out and just these notes just come out this week that one of so and at some of the justice department was taking around the thing

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it was a procedural vote . like yeah I 'm not having a party . all right okay it 's a perfect no to switch to our next topic are friends of pivot . welcome to the Pulitzer winning Washington post reporters Caroline ink and Phil Rucker thank you for coming on

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but it 's also the very affluent voter . right in that in that make America great again it 's that white affluent voter who you know who now likes to say I being buried by you know I ca n't run my business the way I want I ca n't hire who I want it on

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yes do I think it would have been good or interesting or maybe better for the film

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the bed then now 's gold medalist my favorite thing was when her dad called Simone Biles is truly the greatest ever because she 's able my daughter to win gold and everything happened around Simone Biles like it 's a win for mental health awareness

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I I was like I want to go for a Merican airlines I do n't know if all your people are backs and I 'll be honest with you like I I do n't think I well I just think this argument you ca n't make people I do n't know I do n't like shots either

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like kind of thing and it is sort of like a flu vaccine or anything else where you where you could get the flu I 've gotten the flu when I had the flu vaccine and some years I do n't to write some years I do n't some years I do

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we may have an insurrection every four years . if if we are going to tolerate this kind of la la land description of what did n't happen it did n't happen and are people going to do what was urged by Michael Flynn one of trump 's greatest allies right before January sixth the people have to take to the streets the courts wo n't decide the voters will decide the Balanchine 's are trustworthy

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yeah . and this is good for West Virginia . the things he does for are what keep him in office and it 's good for West Virginia and if you want to have somebody run against him as a Democrat

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and you know it was alley Velshi who I saw on TV say I thought it was a great point